以下是的一些我们精选的湖人对勇士：88 湖人穿越对阵 17 勇士，哪队能取胜？

让我们一起打开脑洞，把 1988 赛季的湖人带到和 2017 赛季的勇士的对决舞台上，之后呢，我们得跟这支湖人的队员们解释一下 " 同志们，你们被传送到 2017 年了，站在你们对面的就是这个年代的金州勇士队 "，不过除了这句话以外，就不再透露其他关于勇士的信息了。那么问题来了：

Okay let"s say you took the 1988 LA Lakers and just teleported them on to a court with the 2017 Golden State Warriors. After explaining to them that they he been brought to the year 2017 to play basketball against the Warriors from 2017 but not anything about them:

1、这支湖人大概要花多长时间才能分清楚对面谁比较强，谁比较菜？

2、这支湖人经过多久才会意识到他们急需遏制勇士的三分手们呢？跟大家交代个背景知识，88 年，湖人的比赛场均出手 11 个三分球，我说的是湖人 + 湖人对手的三分球出手总数。

3、湖人的迈克尔 - 汤普森需要多久才会发现对面站着的克莱（1990 年生人）是他亲儿子？

1、How long will it take them to figure out who the good Warriors players are?

2、How long do you think it takes the Lakers to figure out they need to stop the 3 pointer? For reference the 88 Lakers and their opponents shot 11 3"s per game combined.

3、How long would it take Mychal Thompson to figure out that Klay ( born 1990 ) is his son?

如果各位还希望讨论其他和这场 " 关公战秦琼 " 的隔空对决有关的趣味问题我都十分欢迎，前提是这帖没有被删掉。其实把 88 湖人换成 96 公牛也是个不错的主意。

If you he any other questions to add to this hypothetical before it gets removed I"m interested. It would be interesting to do this with the 96 Bulls too.

[ – ] [ GSW ] Kelenna Azubuikegetsituated 2911 指標 11 小時前

How long would it take Mychal Thompson to figure out that Klay ( born 1990 ) is his son?

OP, you"re solid in my book

勇士球迷：" 湖人的迈克尔 - 汤普森需要多久才会发现对面站着的克莱（1990 年生人）是他亲儿子？"

诶，楼主，你他娘的真是个人才。

[ – ] [ BKN ] D"Angelo Russellj_cruise 1143 指標 10 小時前

When Klay says "Sorry, Dad" after every three he makes

当克莱每射进一个三分球都冲着他喊 " 爹啊，对不住了哈 " 的时候。

[ – ] [ MIN ] Andrew Wigginswilson1229 582 指標 10 小時前

He actually says after every made 3, no matter who he"s playing.

克莱可不管对面是谁，他每投进一个三分的时候都这么说。

[ – ] PelicansLouLouis 89 指標 10 小時前

"Nothing personal, dad"

克莱：" 爹啊，我这可不是针对你啊。"

[ – ] Rocketsb_fellow 795 指標 9 小時前

Mychal gotta watch out for Draymond"s natural basketball motion or else there"s gonna be some time paradoxes occurring.

那汤普森他爹可得小心点儿了，别到时候因为追梦的自然篮球动作直接导致了时空悖论的发生，那可就尴尬了。

[ – ] NBATuneHD 392 指標 9 小時前

Lmao Klay just throws up the 3 sign as he withers away

哈哈哈哈哈哈笑尿了！克莱随着身体的逐渐消亡比出了他最后一个三分手势！

[ – ] WarriorsNBAccount 3959 指標 10 小時前 *

1 Before the game starts, everyone on the lakers is eyeing Jale McGee, believing him to be the center, and therefore- by 80"s NBA logic- the biggest threat. At the end of the first quarter, with Jale hing played only 3 minutes, and KD hing 14 points on 6/8 shooting, all the attention shifts to the Slim Reaper.

勇士球迷：第一个问题：比赛开始前，每个湖人球员眼睛都会目不转睛的盯着麦基，脑子里盘算着这应该就是对方的大中锋了，要知道，按照 80 年代篮球比赛的思路，中锋就是一支队伍的最强力进攻点了。等打完了第一节，一瞧，麦基一共只打了 3 分钟，边上杜兰特 8 投 6 中狂砍 14 分，所有湖人球员之后就默默把视线全转移到死神杜身上了。

By half time, when Klay has 51 points, the Lakers all believe him to be the best player in the building, probably in the world. They begin to double him, which leads to KD and Steph trading open shots. James Worthy, Kurt Rambis, Ray Tolbert and Byron Scott are all ejected for flagrant fouls. They insist that they are just playing hard defense, but in 2017 that shit don"t fly. The Dubs win by 36 points, Klay finishes with 60 points in just 23:16 of playing time. He spends the entire fourth quarter on the bench trying to figure out why the center that isn"t Kareem keeps staring at him so hard.

半场比赛结束，克莱那边已经飙下 51 分，湖人全队坚定地认为这哥们就是本场最佳，甚至是世界最强，于是乎，湖人对其施展了包夹战术，这也直接导致杜兰特和库里那边咣咣进空位三分。花开两朵各表一枝，再看湖人——詹姆斯 - 沃西、科特 - 兰比斯、雷 - 托尔伯特再加拜伦 - 斯科特全都因为恶意犯规被驱逐出场，四人坚定表示 " 我们只是打出强硬的防守 "，然而根据 2017 年的比赛规则，哥儿几个的防守动作一律不合规矩。终场哨响，勇士狂胜 36 分，克莱在 23 分 16 秒的出场时间里狂飙突进，砍下 60 分，三节打卡下班，他也得以坐在板凳上用一整个第四节的时间绞尽脑汁琢磨对面那个穿紫金球衣的大中锋——我没说贾巴尔——干啥直勾勾地瞅着自己。

2 The Lakers figure out that they need to stop the three pretty early, but continue to underestimate just how many threes this team will jack up well into the first half. By the time they realize that this team would almost always rather shoot a three than a two, they are behind by sixteen points, and Klay Thompson is going full Toaster.

第二个问题：虽然湖人很早就意识到了自己需要掐住对面的三分，但是他们还是大大低估了勇士会在上半场比赛中出手的三分数量。当湖人终于回过神来，注意到对面属于 " 宁扔三分不甩两分 " 的主儿的时候，他们已经落后勇士 16 分之多，克莱 - 汤普森火力全开。

3 Mychal never figures it out. At first, there"s something about that kid that seems vaguely familiar, but he cannot place it. After he shoots 48 points in a single quarter, he spends the rest of the game staring at him, wondering if they allow cyborgs to play in the year 2017. He doesn"t realize that the cyborgs typically play in San Antonio.

Edit: RIP my inbox. This blew up way more than I expected. Obligatory "Thanks for the gold Kind Stranger!"

第三个问题：老汤普森最后也没认出自己儿子。最开始的时候，他是觉得克莱看着有点眼熟，但是也不太确定。目睹了克莱单节 48 分的表演之后，老汤普森整场比赛里剩下的时间都直勾勾盯着克莱——就是为了搞清楚是不是 2017 年的 NBA 已经允许半机械改造人参赛了，当然了，他这也是不了解情况，圣安东尼奥那个才是派出了改造人参赛。

补充：哇，私信爆炸啦！没想到 JRs 那么火爆，直接把我送上人生巅峰了！感谢老哥们打赏！

[ – ] NBAsktyrhrtout 360 指標 9 小時前 *

How does Klay not recognize his dad?

Edit: After further consideration, that would be the Klayest of things for him to not recognize his own dad.

然而克莱怎么可能认不出他爹？

编辑了：经过了一番深思熟虑，我最终觉得克莱认不得他自己爹这事儿很 " 克莱 "。

[ – ] Czonka 55 指標 9 小時前

How would Klay not recognize Magic Johnson? Or the 7"3 Kareem who looks like a bald alien with goggles

你这问题就像克莱怎么可能认不出魔术师？或者他怎么可能认不出那个两米二、还带着眼镜、长得跟个秃瓢外星人似的贾巴尔？

[ – ] afedje88 227 指標 9 小時前

Klay might only know his dad as an older person and might not recognize him as a younger version. Not super likely but possible I guess.

克莱记忆中的老爹是那个老模咔嚓的样子，你给他个年轻版本的他可不就不认识了嘛，虽然不能说他一定不认得，但是我觉得还是有可能的。

[ – ] letsnotreadintoit 157 指標 9 小時前

But he would know he"s playing the "88 Lakers

但是克莱知道对阵的是 1988 年的湖人啊。

[ – ] Bucksbob_sacamano_junior 359 指標 9 小時前

Would he though?

你确定他知道？

[ – ] WarriorsSharkBaitDLS 186 指標 9 小時前

This is Klay we"re talking about after all.

勇士球迷：就是说啊，我们这儿讨论的对象可是克莱啊。

[ - ] Knickschiyeung 571 指標 10 小時前

Best comment ITT. Were the centers the most dominant players in the 80s?

上面那层勇士球迷的发言是本场 MVP 没跑了。另外我想问下，80 年代的篮球场是中锋们的天下吗？

[ – ] KnicksTofuTofu 358 指標 9 小時前

Talent was pretty well distributed in the 80s. We had great guards ( MJ, Magic, Isiah, etc. ) , great forwards ( Bird, Barkley, McHale, King, etc. ) and great centers ( Ewing, Hakeem, Kareem, Malone etc. ) It was really a golden era IMO.

80 年代的天才各个位置都有，天赋分布比较均匀。既有伟大的后卫如乔丹、魔术师、伊赛亚 - 托马斯等人，前锋位置也是人才济济，如伯德、巴克利、伯纳德 - 金等人，中锋位置也是一样，尤因、奥拉朱旺、贾巴尔、马龙等等等等。个人认为那真是篮球的黄金年代了。

[ – ] Lakersmodada 135 指標 8 小時前

I"d say it was about how the game was played back then. If centers from 80s played now, they"d look obsolete as well because the game has left those types of players behind ( the only exception I"d make to this is Hakeem who might be better than his original time if he played today ) .

对于层主的问题，我只能说这取决于那个年代的比赛方式了。如果把 80 年代的大中锋们放到现在，他们也还是会被淘汰掉，现在的比赛已经没有这类球员的容身之所了（唯一的异类我估计就是奥拉朱旺了，放到现在的篮球环境下，大梦会比当年更牛逼）。

[ – ] KnicksTofuTofu 217 指標 8 小時前

No way. Ewing would be a prototypical stretch five. His 20 foot jumper was money.

尼克斯球迷：淘汰？别逗了。尤因就是空间型大中锋的鼻祖好吧，他在 6 米左右的跳投简直溜得飞起。

[ – ] Heatdiscobob3232 164 指標 8 小時前

Players like him with that type of range would probably extend their range to outside the 3 point line today knowing how much 3 point shooting has taken over the game.

对于像尤因这种有一定射程的球员来说，当他们意识到三分在现代篮球占据的统治地位的时候，他们也能够把射程继续扩大到三分线。

[ – ] Celtics13143 119 指標 7 小時前

Which is exactly what we"ve seen players do: Cousins, AD, Lopez, etc.

没错，这点现在其实已经看到有大个子们实现了，比如考辛斯、浓眉哥、大洛等人。

[ – ] RocketsSarcasticCarebear 221 指標 10 小時前

Debatable. Certainly not true for every team but in general I"d say yes.

Jordan ( among other HoF non-centers ) existed in the 80s, he was fairly damn dominant.

层主提到的这个问题吧，比较有争议。虽然我大体上认同中锋们的统治力，但是并不是每一支队伍都是如此。

比如 80 年代的乔丹吧（作为非中锋的名人堂球员），他对比赛的统治力简直了。

[ – ] Lakersramenmeal 153 指標 8 小時前

psh, only 37 ppg in 86. Not dominant at all

切，1986 赛季乔丹场均才 37 分，就这也敢称统治力？？？TX。

[ – ] Lakersdjm19 208 指標 9 小時前

Counter point: The 2017 Lakers are in the bottom 10 for team 3PA, yet he taken the clearly more skilled in every respect Warriors to OT twice now by essentially fast breaking as much as possible ( Lakers rank second behind Warriors ) and scoring points in or near the paint.

湖人球迷：反驳之前那位认为勇士会血虐 88 湖人的 JR：2017 赛季的我湖场均三分数在全联盟倒着数的十支队伍里，然而即便如此，这支队伍已经两次成功把和勇士的比赛拖入加时，要知道不管从哪个方面看勇士都比现在的湖人更加强大，达成这一壮举靠的主要就是快攻（我湖有联盟里仅次于勇士排名第二的快攻）以及在油漆区内或近油漆区的取分。

I think if that strategy works fairly well for the 2017 Lakers, it works much better for the 1988 Lakers.

I think the real question is, whose mind is more fucked. Mychal or Klay. This will cause the difference.

如果这个思路对于今年的湖人能够奏效的话，那 88 湖人用起来只会效果更好。

其实真正的问题关注点还是在于，父子对决，老汤普森和小汤普森到底谁更懵逼，这会产生本质区别。

[ – ] PistonsThousandtree 93 指標 8 小時前

Counter counter point: The Warrior tasked with defending Magic ( Draymond? ) says something like, "I"m sorry dude, you will be diagnosed as HIV positive in a couple years." Nobody tells him it won"t kill him. 1988 Magic has to play the game thinking he"s only got a few years to live. In other words, the Mychal/Klay question is less important than how Magic"s mind responds.

反驳楼上观点：到时候主防魔术师的球员（追梦）会跟他说 " 老兄，我真的感到十分遗憾，你将会在几年之后被诊断出患有艾滋病 "。他们不会告诉魔术师这次患病并没有夺走他的性命，然而魔术师自己在打比赛的时候肯定满脑子想的都是自己没几年盼头了，换句话说，相比起你提到的汤普森父子的问题，显然还是魔术师内心戏的问题更加重要。

[ – ] MagicSchleprok 101 指標 9 小時前

Golden State would wipe the floor with them. By the time LA figures out what the hell is happening, the Warriors will he already made more 3s than LA will he made the entire game. Then, because they"re not used to hing to defend 3 point shooters, their entire defense will be thrown out of wack. They"ll be biting on everything and be caught flat footed the entire game. Sure they can get physical - assuming we"re playing by 1988 rules - but GSW can also get physical.

Obiouvlsy different eras so LAL would fare a lot better if they saw GSW grow into what it is today, but if GSW was just dropped into the Forum? Nah

勇士会轻而易举地击溃那支湖人的。在湖人搞清楚场上到底发生了什么之前，勇士就已经扔进了比湖人全场三分命中数还多的三分球了。之后嘛，湖人不得不去防守勇士的三分，可他们又没有这方面经验，湖人的防守策略完全失灵，整场比赛湖人都试图去撕咬每个对位球员，然而他们在场上的表现永远慢了一拍。当然湖人可以上对抗——假设我们是按照 1988 年的篮球规则的话——但是勇士那边也一样啊。

时代不同了，那支湖人如果能够见证勇士这几年的发展史的话，面对这场比赛他们会表现更好些，然而，如果就是毫无预兆地把两支队伍扔到一块去比赛？那我只能祝湖人好运了。

[ – ] [ BOS ] Tom HeinsohnHornyHindu 74 指標 9 小時前

assuming we"re playing by 1988 rules

Warriors hing to adjust on the fly to handchecking alone would be a huge disadvantage since they"ve never played that way -- maybe a little in street games but not professionally.

Handchecking was a huge change in play dynamics.,. "if you"re not allowed to even touch the other player, you"re taking strength and size out of the contest, and making the whole conflict between offense and defense solely an issue of quickness and wit". Lakers would hassle Klay and Curry KD on perimeter, who are not use to contact like that and they"d definitely not be shooting as well because of it... ball movement would be harder as well.

" 假设我们是按照 1988 年的篮球规则的话 "

那勇士可就得专门去适应一下 Hand check 了，这将成为他们最大的软肋——从没在有 Hand check 的情况下打过球。也许打野球的时候还碰到过，但在职业赛场上可没有。

Hand check 的存在直接改变了这项运动的机理。" 如果你无法用手去触碰对方球员的身体的话，那意味着力量和身高臂展等都丧失了对比赛的影响力，攻守双方比拼的就是单纯的速度和智慧。" 湖人会在外线用小动作不断地骚扰库里、克莱和杜兰特，这三人都不习惯于这种肢体接触，这将会极大地影响他们的投篮水准 …… 除此之外，球的运转在 Hand check 的影响下也会更加滞涩。

The handcheck rules, along with the changes in zone defense, are a big part of the reason centers are so much less important than they used to be, and that point guards are now so often the most important player on a team.

Zaza would be Warriors center... KD banging with Kareem aint happening. I"d bet my money on the 88 Lakers for sure.

Hand check 的存在也会极大地改变内线的防守，而这也就是现代篮球里中锋的重要性比起当年下降了那么多的主要原因，还解释了为什么当今控卫在球队里的地位如此之高。

勇士的中锋只能是帕楚里亚 …… 杜兰特对位贾巴尔的事儿就算了吧。五毛，88 湖人将摘走比赛的胜利。

[ – ] Spurscilinderman 684 指標 10 小時前

Pat Riley would probably lee the game to the assistant, go buy a sports almanac, lose the game, go back to 1988, then proceed to become filthy rich, then purchase the Warriors from Chris Cohan, and with pick 7 in 2009 draft, he proceeds to draft Chase Budinger. That would create a paradox that makes them win this game in 2017.

That"s how they win, I can"t see any other way.

帕特 - 莱利会直接把比赛指挥权甩给助理教练，出去买本 ESPN 的 " 体育年鉴 "，比赛输了就输了，穿越时空回到 1988 年，摇身一变当个大金主，从克里斯 - 科汉手里买下勇士，用 2009 年的 7 号签选中蔡斯 - 巴丁格，借助时空悖论彻底改变勇士的成长轨迹，这样这场比赛湖人就立于不败之地了。

这是湖人赢球的方法，额，我说的是唯一的方法。除此外，他们还是等死吧。

[ – ] Heathassanswhiteside 102 指標 7 小時前

He"d be salty enough and petty enough to do that shit too.

热火球迷：可以，这很莱利，这副精于算计的小心眼形象确实是我认识的莱利！

[ – ] frugalNOTcheap 281 指標 10 小時前 *

How long do you think it takes the Lakers to figure out they need to stop the 3 pointer? For reference the 88 Lakers and their opponents shot 11 3"s per game combined.

I think this would take a while. I think the coaching staff and players would asume the Warriors were getting lucky and letting them he those shots is good basketball. Plus was the PnR that popular in the 80s? Would they he much expereince stopping Steph in the PnR. I think most coaches would think Steph dribbling off a screen and pulling up from 3 would be a bad shot and his luck would run out.

" 这支湖人经过多久才会意识到他们急需遏制勇士的三分手们呢？跟大家交代个背景知识，88 年的湖人打完一场比赛，场均对阵双方加起来只会出手 11 个三分球。"

我觉得怎么着也得花一段时间吧。我估计刚开始教练组和球员还觉得是对面运气好罢了，由着他们扔其实也是正确的比赛策略。还有一点就是，80 年代流行挡拆吗？他们真的知道如何防守库里的挡拆战术吗？估计多数教练觉得库里这种借个挡拆直接拔三分的打法全是糟糕的出手吧，哪怕进了他们也会跟自己说 " 没事，运气好也会有个限度啊 "。

[ – ] 76ersragingblackmage 318 指標 10 小時前

I imagine the Lakers reaction when Steph pulls up for some ridiculous range 3 pointer, and then KD does the same exact thing on the next possession would be

我已经能脑补出当湖人看见库里扔了一个超远距离三分，而且紧跟着下一回合杜兰特也特么出手了一个超远三分时候的表情了。

口型：WHAT THE FXCK.

[ – ] [ NYK ] Steve Novakalexyxray 119 指標 9 小時前

dude the P&R is one of the oldest plays ever. Magic Johnson & Pat Riley know a thing or 2 about a pick and roll...

defending someone who can shoot at a 40% clip every time the guard goes under the screen is something else though.

楼上的楼上那位老哥，挡拆战术是篮球史上最古老的战术之一了，魔术师和帕特 - 莱利对于这个战术心里还是很有数的 ……

然鹅，心里有数是一码事儿，如何去防守一个当每次防守人选择绕掩护后都能够以 40% 的命中率把球扔进篮筐的球员，那就是另一码事儿了 ……

[ – ] Trail Blazersirelli 55 指標 9 小時前

The PnR is definitely harder to guard now though. As you said, you could always go under the pick back in the day. Now you almost never can.

当今赛场上的挡拆战术的确比当年更加难以防守，正如你所说，过去的比赛防守者还总是会选择去绕掩护，这在现代篮球里已经快绝迹了。

[ – ] SpursMaoMeowed 925 指標 10 小時前

mfw my unborn son hits a hesi pull up jimbo from 30 feet right in my face to win the game

还没出生的儿子了我一记超远干拔三分并绝杀了比赛的时候我的表情。

[ – ] LakersoOoleveloOo 227 指標 9 小時前

What about this one

看看我这个表情怎么样。

图中文字：迈克尔 - 汤普森，两届 NBA 总冠军。

[ – ] Nuggetsdmendo54 300 指標 10 小時前

We"re in peak offseason form boys

湿乎乎正式进入休赛期长草模式了！

[ – ] [ GSW ] Patrick McCawyour_grammars_bad 65 指標 7 小時前

the Bulls won six straight, up is down, and regular season is now the off season.

Makes sense

公牛那边六连胜了，上即是下，常规赛现在就是休赛期。

都踏马好有道理，没毛病。